NEED HELP: Problem following a curve trajectory!!

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  • #10559

    Omher
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    TinyG is running on an OX machine (OpenBuilds), NEMA23 Stepper motors and 24V@14.6Amp power supply.

    the machine has been running fine for a while, but lately I noticed that a portion of my cut was not accurate. I narrowed it down to a section that has a figure of a SPIRAL on it SVG File (Inkscape)

    Test Spiral

    I’m running CHILIPEPPR.

    At this moment, my machine is running with no load and I am using a pen to draw the output (after ruining some material). The speed is just 300 mm/min, but regardless of speed the result is always the same.

    FIRST:
    I generated the code with JSCUT which generates just G1 codes (small lines).
    Here’s the G-Code GCode-JSCUT Original
    Here’s the Output Output-JSCUT-Original
    From the image, the machine made some strange and uneven movements, I expected to have a constant distance between cuts, but it varied from 2.5mm to 5mm.

    I verified the paths on CAMOTICS and CHILIPEPPR and all looks good and constant.

    What am I doing wrong??

    SECOND:
    I took all the code generated on the previous stage and flipped it, meaning the first position is now last and the last is now first. The direction of the path now is INVERTED. But all coordinates are exactly the same as previously
    Here’s the new G-Code GCode-JSCUT Inverted
    Here’s the Output Output-JSCUT Inverted
    From the image, the machine made some strange and uneven movements, and more surprising is that the drawing is not the same as the original; where I used to have a gap of 2.5mm now is 5mm and where I used to have a gap of 5mm now is 2.5mm.
    This is the same coordinates on a series of very small straight lines, did not generate the same results. I get to the conclusion that it might not be an issue with my original drawing on Inkscape but something with the machine.

    Why is it that using the same set of coordinates, I’m getting a different result? Both wrong by the way.

    What has to be done in order to get the right output?

    THIRD:
    I switched from JSCUT to MAKERCAM, and generated a new G-Code. This time MAKERCAM generated the code with G2/G3 codes as opposed to just G1 from JSCUT.
    Here’s the 3rd G-Code G-Code-MAKERCAM Original
    Here’s the Output Output-MAKERCAM Original
    As can be seen from the drawing it is exactly the same result I’m getting from the FIRST case, Meaning the gap of 5mm is where the original gap of 5mm was and the gap of 2.5mm is where the original gap of 2.5mm was. The figure is almost identical.

    This time – sound wise – the stepper motors were producing “music”.

    Two instruction’s set completely different are generating the exact same wrong output. One limited to G1 codes while the second using G2/G3 codes.

    FORTH:
    I went to TinyG’s configuration and moved the JERK MAXIMUM at (million) 2, 10, 250, 5,000 and 10,000 and the problem is still there. The drawings are almost identical (at lower level the edges are a bit rounder, and a higher values the edges are sharper).
    Here’s the configuration file TiniG Configuration file that I’m currently using.

    I also moved the potentiometers to higher values with no change.

    After spending too many hours trying to figure this out, here I’m requesting support to solve this issue and better understand what’s happening and more important the limitations on TinyG.

    Thanks in advanced for your help!

    #10560

    cmcgrath5035
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    I have seen similar behavior in the past caused by loose set screws on the pulleys.
    Do your stepper shafts have flats?
    If not, grab a file and make some.
    Then make sure your set screws are centered on the flat and snug.

    What frequently happens, even with flats, is that the set screw loosens just enough for the pulley to rock back and forth from one side of the flat to the other

    A quick test would be to energize the motors(to apply holding torque), then grab the pulleys with you fingers and see if you can rock it back and forth.

    I’ll look closer at you excellent documentation this evening.
    Right now, it’s back to Irma cleanup.

    #10561

    Omher
    Member

    cmcgrath5035 thank you for your reply.

    Last night I took out all 3 stepper motors and tighten the tiny screws. The one on X was slightly loose.

    My stepper have flats and the screws are centered on the flat.

    It is amazing how accuracy depends on these tiny screws.

    The result is much better now, however it is still slightly deformed.

    Here’s an image of the new output after the adjustment Output after adjustment.

    At this point, I’m not certain that this is as good as I’ll get.

    More important, I hope you and your beloved ones are OK after Irma. In my prayers.

    Best regards

    #10562

    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    Good progress.
    An unfortunate side effect of Ox using GT2 belts is the larger size pulley, compared to Shapeoko where $tr=42mm or so. The NEMA23’s provide the additional torque, but the really beat on the set screws.

    Do your pulleys have one set screw or two?
    When I reworked my SHO, I tapped in a second set screw at 45 degrees relative to the one I had. I then created a “mini-flat” under that screw for added grip.
    A two set screw arrangement would help.

    Thanks, we are some of the fortunate here in Irmas pat’h (Cape Coral).
    No house damage, just a lot of vegetation to process. Folks to our south are really hurting. Is the price we pay for living in paradise.

    #10563

    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    You might want to rerun a machine calibration, to see if a perfect large square is, well, as perfect as you can measure it.

    $_tr=60.00mm is the correct theoretical setting for X an Y with GT2 belts and the stock pulleys. You might need to further tighten belts or perhaps tweak $_tr values to improve concentric curve accuracy.

    #10564

    Omher
    Member

    Thank you cmcgrath5035:

    I will run the calibration over the weekend.

    My pulley has 2 screws, the second one doesn’t do much as it doesn’t sit on any flat on the axe. As you said adding a “mini-flat” surface may help. I’ll need to look at how hard it is to make this 45 degree flat.

    I’ll keep you informed.

    Thanks and best regards.

    #10565

    cmcgrath5035
    Moderator

    you might find that enlarging the size of the setscrew that engages the flat will help.
    And search for ‘cup’ of flat bottom set screws, rather than ‘tapered’ or pointed’. More surface to interact with the flat.
    Good luck

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